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imayfakeit |
20. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Feb 19 2009, 8:48 PM EST
I think that Rossi was definitely a bit abrasive when he first came to the team, but I tried not to hold it against him because of what it was like back when he was a profiler. Things have changed a lot since Rossi retired, and I can understand how it's taken him some time to get adjusted to that. Add in the fact that the team acts like a family (not that his team never acted as a family), and you have some major changes to deal with. But I think Rossi pulled through in the end. He's definitely come a long way from the sort of edgy character he first was, to the now... Uncle/Mom/whatever role he has. I actually think that they all play the same roles in the team. If Hotch needed consoling (and he really never shows it, when he does), then I'd like to believe that Rossi, or Morgan, or JJ, or Reid would be a "dad" or "mom" and be there for him to lean on. It's the same with everyone else. They all sort of fill the same position, depending upon what's needed. :) But I do see the whole Hotch is the Dad/Mom and Rossi is the Uncle thing. :D I want Gideon to make a cameo appearance sometime. I think it would be amazing to see Gideon and Rossi working together on a case. :) And I think the team needs to see Gideon again. Actually, I think we all need to see Gideon again. Do you find this valuable? |
Reid_fangirl_4eva |
21. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 25 2009, 12:16 AM EDT
on the last episode, "omnivore" i got mad at rossi. i knew he probably didn't mean it this way, but when he told Hotch not to let the case get to you "like Gideon did" i hated it. I also realized that in the beginning, he really didn't seem to like Reid. Do you guys agree? Or is it just me?
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imayfakeit |
22. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 28 2009, 2:19 AM EDT
I noticed that he didn't seem to like Reid either. I think Reid's excitement over meeting him put Rossi off. It made Reid appear less professional, and I think that struck Rossi in the wrong way. (I thought Reid's excitement was adorable and hilarious.) && I understand how you feel about what he said a couple of episodes ago. As soon as he said it, I knew it was going to draw reactions from us fans... I'm not sure how I feel about it, exactly. I mean, my first reaction was a bit of a sting, because I love Gideon. And it sounds petty, but Gideon was there first and therefore will always be before Rossi in my heart... But at the same time, I understand what Rossi was trying to say and I agree about him most likely not meaning to offend anyone with it. I think in his attempt to console and reach Hotch, he might have overstepped a bound with some of the fans. But I still didn't get too offended. Does that make me a bad fan? I'm not sure. I guess it could be because it takes a lot for me to get angry/offended. But anyway; I do see what you're saying. Maybe he shouldn't have said that. But he was right in a way. Gideon couldn't take it anymore. And that's completely understandable, especially with what happened to him. I don't blame Gideon for leaving. However, I do think that deep down I feel a little hurt that Gideon left us all like that. I think that the team could have helped him if he had let them. And yet... I also understand that maybe, they couldn't have helped him. Well anyway; this is rambling. Lol.
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23. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 28 2009, 8:52 PM EDT
i see what you mean. And no. Your not a bad fan ^_^But there's something else i noticed about what Rossi said. In the episode "Zoe's Reprise" he felt it was his fault when Zoe was killed. The he turns around and tells that to Hotch. I don't know....doesn't seem quite right to me. Do you find this valuable? |
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imayfakeit |
24. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 28 2009, 11:22 PM EDT
Ooh, that's a good point. I didn't notice that! Hmm... Well I guess we're all hypocrites, really. (No offense to anyone, Lol.) Maybe that was a slip by the writers? But then I suppose that Hotch and Rossi's situations were different? Whereas Hotch refused to negotiate with a serial killer and that resulted in multiple homicides; Rossi overlooked an ambitious young girl's cries about a serial killer, and that resulted in her death. So maybe they were different situations? Because there was no way Rossi could have known that the serial killer was really there, and that he would have gotten Zoe; but Hotch knew that by refusing The Reaper's deal, he would inevitably kill again (no offense to Hotch, either, because it's stupid to negotiate with serial killers). Did that make sense? Lol. :) But yes, it is a bit hypocritical...
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Reid_fangirl_4eva |
25. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 31 2009, 1:08 AM EDT
yeah, that makes sense. Maybe your right. Now that i think about it, their situations were rather different. But i still don't think it was right of him to say that lolz. anyways, you know how i said he didn't like Reid in the beginning? I know he likes the team more now and works better with them, but to me it still looks like he doesn't like him as much as the others. And i think he has way less conversations with him. (ok, now i seem reid-paranoid or something lolz) Do you find this valuable? |
Cathain |
26. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 31 2009, 4:11 PM EDT
I don`t think, Rossi doesn`t like Reid. He was maybe just suprised by the wave of enthusiasm, which hit him, when Reid was so eager to please him.But later, Rossi learned, how gifted and able Reid is. And he accepted him as a member of the team and as family. I mean, in the episode with Reid`s father Rossi stayed behind to solve this case. He didn`t need to. Morgan alone would have been enough, but Rossi stayed and he was at Reid`s side, when the doc hypnotized him. Rossi wanted to make sure that Reid was okay. I think, Rossi is great and I don`t miss Gideon at all. I loved the sentence about Gideon, cause it was all true... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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imayfakeit |
27. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Mar 31 2009, 11:33 PM EDT
Lol it's okay Reid_fangirl_4eva. :) I think he's grown used to how Reid is. I'm sure it was a bit of a shock when he first met him, what with Reid being such an avid fan and all... And it would make Reid look less professional to be as enthusiastic as he was. But I do believe that he's grown accustomed to Reid and accepted all of his quirks and intricacies. :) I agree with Cathain: Rossi stayed behind when he clearly was not needed. I think that shows that he does care for Reid, and if he doesn't than at least he's definitely trying to make an effort.
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28. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 7 2009, 9:21 PM EDT
yeah, i just remembered that a few hours after i posted and i haven't been on since. I guess your right. I love that scene when he walks into his hotel room and their inside watching tv.And Cathain, no offense, but how can you not miss Gideon at all? 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Special_Agent_Marta |
29. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 9 2009, 3:14 PM EDT
"And Cathain, no offense, but how can you not miss Gideon at all?"I agree: it's impossible not to miss Gideon, at least a bit! also if you maybe didn't consider him your favourite character, he was part of the very first cast that made us know the actors and the characters and love the show! :) then he was one of the main characters and MP played that role for two seasons! anyway, it's always a bit hard to get used to a new character, but I have to say that now (end S3) I like Rossi better than at the beginning! :) Do you find this valuable? |
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Cathain |
30. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 9 2009, 5:44 PM EDT
Well, you don`t expect me to lie :PSo, I`m telling the truth. I don`t miss him, maybe because I didn`t appreciate the way he left. I can`t explain it. I like Rossi very much. He is tough in a way Gideon never has been, but he can also be soft. Right before Gideon left, it didn`t feel like a team anymore, it felt like Gideon`s unit. Now they are a team and Hotch is the leader. Do you find this valuable? |
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Special_Agent_Marta |
31. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 9 2009, 6:11 PM EDT
Well, that's true... but the same for Elle's case and to be honest I think she left in a worse way: somehow she admitted she killed that rapist, but saying the contrary: "this is not an admission of guilt"... in my opinion, Gideon's case was a human reaction to Sarah's death... but I think the team was a team with Gideon as well as it is with Rossi: I'd say, they are "more team" now because they had to face Gideon's departure and Rossi's arrive (a man who was not used to work with a team!)... do you remember About Face? but, of course, I've always considered Hotch as the leader, despite Gideon's important role!! ;o) Do you find this valuable? |
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Cathain |
32. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 10 2009, 5:20 AM EDT
At the beginning Elle was okay, but she was never my favourite. She was too tough and always wanted to be treated equal to the boys, there is nothing wrong with that, except, that she wasn`t treated different. Maybe that has something to do with the early death of her father and her primary history with the sex crimes. She seem to take everything personally and that was her downfall. She never got over being shot and she made the worst decisions. First, she ruined the undercover-mission and then she shot the unsub. I mean, look at Morgan, what he has been through and he didn`t started a deadly vendetta or Reid. I mean, he shot Tobias in self-defence but he stayed with him till he died and after that he recovered, of course it took time, but still he always wanted to save people, even the boy, who killed so many other people. And that is exactly the thing, I didn`t like about Gideons departure. No one on the team, no matter, what they have been going through, I mean, Hotch lost Hailey and Jack, ok, they are not dead, but still nearly out of his life, and then he lost the British agent and still he never run away from the responsibility. And after all, Gideon didn`t even say goodbye, he left a letter for Reid to explain him everything. What kind of person does something like that? I think, the team meant something to him, it would be fair to say goodbye or even to make sure everyone is okay. I mean, he must have known (he is a profiler) how Strauss would have reacted and what Hotch would do, so the team was suddenly alone. And I still think, in the second half of the second season Gideon seemed to be the main person. There were the two episodes with Frank. Then in 2x18 Jones, when Reid was in trouble, it was more about how Gideon comforted him than about Reid in trouble. "Ashes and Dusts": Gideon ruled. Gideon discovers how the unsubs kill the people in "Open season" that are just the small things I remembered. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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33. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 10 2009, 5:28 AM EDT
if i might join in, I dont miss Gideon either. I felt the team stepped up their game after he left and then incorporated Rossi. I didn't even like Rossi to begin with but he's grown on me over time. I've been watching seasons 1 and 2 again and I actually find myself missing Rossi, when I watch later episodes I dont feel Gideon is missing. But I always liked Gideon's character, and his approach to things, and his presence. I agree with Cathain that they are now a team with a definite leader not just "sheep" following Gideon. But this will have something to do with maturing of the characters also - especially Reid. He's grown up a lot in the last couple of years - he's truely a profiler in his own right now, not just a student. He very much fell into the student role with Gideon. Conflicted showed just how far he has come. I like Rossi now, not that he can't get on my nerves - he did in the one with the psychic, seriously, but that's down to each writer of each episode. Just my 2p worth Wens xxx Do you find this valuable? |
Wolfeaddict |
34. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 13 2009, 5:23 AM EDT
I agree with Cathain. For the most part Gideon was the focus and usually the one who figured it out. He was the leader (not Hotch, who technically was his superior) and made every decision.Now that he's gone the team really is a team. They work more independently now and everyone knows what he or she is supposed to do. Rossi (who is the leader now) is behaving like a part of the team now, not the dominator that Gideon was. He wasn't a team-player at the beginning, granted, but Gideon wasn't that much of one either. And I like it that Rossi treats Reid like an equal agent and profiler, not like a student. Which - I agree with you wensmcg - has to do with the fact that Reid had grown up. The fact that Rossi pretty early showed that he cared for the team was one reason why I started to like him. Do you find this valuable? |
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Special_Agent_Marta |
35. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 18 2009, 8:34 AM EDT
"Now that he's gone the team really is a team. They work more independently now and everyone knows what he or she is supposed to do. Rossi (who is the leader now) is behaving like a part of the team now, not the dominator that Gideon was. He wasn't a team-player at the beginning, granted, but Gideon wasn't that much of one either. "I repeat I think the team was a team even with Gideon, but I agree that he was undoubtedly the most important character: that was right because of his huge experience as a profiler, but at the very beginning of my "CM fan career" I felt he was the actual leader and not Hotch... :/ what I like about Rossi is that, after the bad first episodes, he learnt how to be part of the team and so I think now the whole team is more balanced and that was well done by the writers! :) now the team is a team in the sense that Hotch is really the leader and behaves and decides as a leader. that's what I appreciate at most now. Rossi is simply the most important among the other agents because he's a Senior Do you find this valuable? |
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Wolfeaddict |
36. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 18 2009, 9:46 AM EDT
"I repeat I think the team was a team even with Gideon, but I agree that he was undoubtedly the most important character: that was right because of his huge experience as a profiler, but at the very beginning of my "CM fan career" I felt he was the actual leader and not Hotch... :/ what I like about Rossi is that, after the bad first episodes, he learnt how to be part of the team and so I think now the whole team is more balanced and that was well done by the writers! :)They were a team even with Gideon, I agree, but now they're functioning much more as one. And I think a good leader is one that doesn't have to behave as one, cause his subordinates know what they have to do without needing to be told to. Granted he has to make the decisions, but not as often as he (or Gideon) had to at the beginning, cause all the agents have some experience now and are able to make some decisions themthelves. Do you find this valuable? |
1983Sarah |
37. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Apr 29 2009, 2:14 PM EDT
I feel that Rossi is a bit more of a team player too. I think there were a lot of Gideon centric shows/episodes. Not that that is a bad thing, but I feel there is more balance to the show now and that they are even closer as a unit or a team. I think a lot of forces were working against them before and that they are learning to trust each other more fully.
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Barbayat |
38. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Sep 22 2009, 1:02 PM EDT
I actually like Rossi more than Gideon - at first I was a bit sad that Gideon left and I wish they would bring him back for a guest moment just so we know how he is doing - but I guess the actor is not up to it.Especially during Season 4 I grew very fond of Rossi, but even during the first episode with him I was glad they did not make him a Gideon copy but a new and different character. I found it wonderful that they made him a bit of a loner who had difficulties getting used to team work - fit beautifully considering his background as a solo profiler. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
JecaCSI |
39. RE: How Do You Feel About Rossi Stepping in Where Gideon Left ?
Sep 22 2009, 1:53 PM EDT
At first,I didn't think I'd like Rossi,but when I saw his first episode in the show,I loved him! :DHe has a different character than Gideon,he's much more direct with people,and he doesn't really like to show his emotions in front of other people,a person who isn't really a team player... But I think that he really grew fond of the team after a while.. And vice versa. ^_^ But I really do miss Gideon... He was such an important part of the show... I don't understand people who don't... :/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
